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Max Flipper
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:57:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:Fuel costs for towers is going up with the winter expansion.
Increases vary from no change on Robotics through to 4x on liquid ozone/heavy water/coolant.
Racial topes are approximately 3.5x
Get to it minions.
You are aware that the Materials listed are required to build four Pallets?
The really noteworthy increases will be in LO/Heavy Water since they based the cost on a fully utilized Tower.
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Max Flipper
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:12:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Poison wrote:Hey in the mean time, lets blow our stock and help it back to 20 :) You first! Then I'll put mine on and undercut you a bit, and we can have a 0.01 ISK war all the way back down to 20.  (The main reason that there's so much 5x / 10x / 20x price increases at the moment is because HW was only 20 ISK/u, you could easily buy up a few million units for not much capital outlay, then relist it. For the same reason, nobody has bothered to do the same to Liquid Ozone, where demand really is likely to go up in hi-sec...)
Did i hear someone say "Buy my LO!" 
HW was pretty much priced at the "Barely worth to haul it" level. Only if the Patch causes a substantial change in the ratio between Topes/LO/HW needed we will see a big increase in Price there (at least thats my Bet).
But don't let that stop you from profiting from the "OMG THEY ARE CHANGING SOMETHING" Panic 
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Max Flipper
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:18:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:
You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.
Because price is linear with supply 
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Yes, there will be an upswing when the pellet BPOs are released as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled) but that is only a small fraction of the market for LO in the first place. This upswing will then correct itself as soon as the fuel changeover occurs as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.
Because the new Pallets don't need LO
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Max Flipper
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.11 00:06:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:Max Flipper wrote:[quote=Lauren Hellfury] Quote:
Yes, there will be an upswing when the pellet BPOs are released as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled) but that is only a small fraction of the market for LO in the first place. This upswing will then correct itself as soon as the fuel changeover occurs as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.
Because the new Pallets don't need LO What you read? It's not what I wrote. There is going to be an, approximate, 2 week period where towers will be consuming fuel (including LO) as normal and where people will be buying it to create the pellets ready for the switch. Stop trying to be clever, it doesn't suit you.
Try being less dumb, it would suit you 
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as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled)
You write word for word that the new Pellets will increase demand for POS FUEL OPERATION to twice the current amount.
There will be increased demand in order to produce Pellets yes, but they can be taken for a big part from the POS-Fuel reserves which exist already. But that can pass as bad wording and wasn't hard to interpret right.
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as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.
Read that sentence out loud and ask again.
You write literally that there will be no need for LO to fuel towers currently Online nor to produce more [newly introduced] Pellets.
That would be true if either all current Towers would go offline or would stop using POS-Fuel.
I don't argue against a Price spike, since theres always Speculation around new items and also think LO will rise in Price through higher Demand then it had before.
However i argue your reasoning WHY that stuff will happen is either retarded or so badly worded that the meaning is lost if you try to read it as regular English.
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